DOBBS: The -- let's turn first to the tests in -- by India, setting off 
                      two more tests after international condemnation of those tests. What 
                      is your analysis? 

                      KISSINGER: We have to get this into perspective. It has not changed 
                      the strategic situation. Everybody has known for years that India has 
                      nuclear weapons. They used to set off their tests by calling them 
                      peaceful explosions. The significance of this is that they have sort of 
                      put it in our face, but it is not a change in the strategic situation. 

                      The second problem is that India is a major country, population of 800 
                      million, basically friendly to the United States, and while some 
                      measures are mandated by Congress, some are necessary for the 
                      sake of our non-proliferation policy, we ought to look two, three years 
                      down the road and see what our long-term relationship should be. 

                      DOBBS: That long-term relationship will be without question 
                      encumbered by the sanctions that the United States is imposing and 
                      other countries are joining in. Do you think those sanctions are in point 
                      of fact -- irrespective of the fact that they are required by law, do you 
                      think they are fundamentally a mistake? 

                      KISSINGER: I think major sanctions are probably a mistake